Breaking Free: An Anxiety Recovery Story
From Panic to Peace: Life-Changing Lessons from an Anxiety Coach
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Anxiety isn’t the enemy—it’s your teacher. Discover how Kathie Owen and anxiety coach Mark Pinto turned fear into freedom with floating, storytelling, and self-love. #AnxietyRecovery #MentalHealthMatters
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If you’ve ever felt like your anxiety was running the show, I have a truth bomb for you: anxiety isn’t trying to destroy you—it’s trying to teach you something.
I know, I know. That may sound strange, even ridiculous, if you’re in the middle of spiraling thoughts, tight chest, racing heart, and paralyzing overwhelm. But after walking my own healing journey—and working with my amazing anxiety coach and fellow mastermind partner Mark Pinto—I can say with confidence: anxiety is not your enemy. It’s your inner alarm system asking for your attention. And when you learn how to listen, everything changes.
In this special episode of Kathie’s Coaching Podcast, I sat down with Mark to explore the real roots of anxiety and the tools that helped both of us find peace—even when the chaos is loud.
So let’s dig in.
🎧 Anxiety Is Not Your Anxiety
One of the most powerful shifts I’ve made with Mark’s guidance is in the language I use. Instead of saying “my anxiety,” I now say “the anxiety.” That tiny tweak is huge.
Because guess what? You are not your anxiety.
When we label it as “mine,” we lock ourselves into an identity we don’t actually want. But when we step back and observe it, we gain power. As Mark says, anxiety is just a messenger. It’s there to point you toward the parts of your life, your patterns, your thoughts, or your habits that are out of alignment.
That reframe alone started to untangle decades of nervous system wiring for me.
🌊 Floating: The Art of Doing Nothing
One of the foundational tools Mark teaches is called floating, a concept borrowed from anxiety recovery pioneer Dr. Claire Weekes.
Here’s how it works:
When you feel anxiety rising, don’t fight it.
Don’t try to escape or shut it down.
Instead, breathe deeply, relax your body, and allow the sensations to move through you.
It sounds counterintuitive, but floating actually disarms anxiety’s power. The more you resist, the more it persists. Floating says, “I see you. I’m not scared of you. You can be here, but I’m not going to let you drive.”
When I started floating through those early-morning anxious thought spirals—“You’re not doing enough, you need to work more, you should be further ahead”—I began to see how often I was just scaring myself.
Now? I float. I breathe. I choose peace. And yes, it’s still a practice, but it’s one that’s transforming me from the inside out.
🪞The Story Is the Problem—Not the Circumstance
Mark shared a story during our episode that blew my mind—and changed how I relate to anxiety forever.
One day, he was driving with his 9-year-old daughter when she screamed in terror. A huge roach (a palmetto bug, for my fellow Texans) was crawling around the car. Instead of panicking, Mark stayed calm, coached her through breathing, and asked:
“Was it the bug that scared you, or the story you told yourself about the bug?”
It was the story.
This applies to everything. It’s not the event that causes our anxiety—it’s the meaning we assign to it. Your boss sends a vague email. You assume you’re in trouble. Your partner doesn’t respond quickly. You spiral into rejection. That’s the pendulum swinging (Reality Transurfing fans, you know what I’m talking about).
But if we pause and ask: “What story am I telling myself right now?” we can change it.
🧘♀️ Real Peace Is Beyond Understanding
Mark’s path to healing brought him to a deep understanding of what the Bible calls the “peace that passes all understanding.” That moment came through Transcendental Meditation, but the principle holds across spiritual paths: peace isn’t something you figure out. It’s something you feel when you stop trying to control everything.
And here’s the beautiful part: peace doesn’t mean anxiety disappears forever. It means you no longer let it run the show. You can observe the emotion, thank it for the message, and return to your grounded center.
🔧 Small Shifts, Big Wins
This healing isn’t just about inner work—it’s also about the small lifestyle shifts that support a calm nervous system. For me, that looked like:
Letting go of caffeine (bye-bye, pre-workouts 👋)
Cutting back on alcohol
Prioritizing sleep
Replacing negative self-talk with kindness and compassion
These changes happened naturally as I started loving myself more. I didn’t white-knuckle my way through them. I simply felt better and didn’t want to undo that progress.
🔥 The Tire Story: When Anxiety Meets God
One of my favorite stories Mark shared was about his Tesla getting a flat tire when he had no money in his bank account.
Anxiety screamed: “Drive the car home! You can’t afford a tow! You’re in trouble!”
But Mark floated. He trusted. He waited.
One intuitive nudge led to another—calling Tesla, checking in with a tire shop he trusted, getting a download to launch a quick offer on his phone. Within hours, the money arrived. The car got fixed. And the peace that followed was priceless.
This story isn’t just about a car. It’s about what happens when you stop reacting from fear and start trusting your intuition.
💖 Anxiety Is the Teacher
Mark shared a powerful client story—someone who was once paralyzed by anxiety and had dropped out of college. Months later, she was calmly guiding others through a crisis when her brother was shot at a nightclub.
The only difference? She had been practicing peace. Floating. Rewriting her stories. Now she’s a college graduate, expecting a baby, and living a life once unimaginable to her.
That’s what anxiety can do when you let it teach you.
👣 7 Takeaways to Heal from Anxiety:
Stop saying “my anxiety”—it’s the anxiety, not your identity.
Float through the sensations—don’t fight or fix them.
Breathe deep into your belly—chest breathing signals stress.
Question your stories—the narrative is what triggers the spiral.
Let intuitive guidance lead—not fear or urgency.
Shift your self-talk—practice kind, affirming language daily.
Choose peace again and again—not perfection, but presence.
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Mark’s Coaching: https://calendly.com/pintoenterprises
Mark’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@manifestwithmark
Mark's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ @Manifestwithmark
Flow-based prosperity mastermind: https://www.onlinetrainingforentrepreneurs.com
Joseph Rodrigues YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/josephrodrigues
Books from today: Hope and Help for Your Nerves: https://amzn.to/4e9OsVG
Dare: The New Way to End Your Anxiety and Stop Panic Attacks Fast: https://amzn.to/3G0G3qV
About Kathie
Kathie Owen is a heart-centered corporate wellness consultant, mindset coach, and host of Kathie’s Coaching Podcast. After burning out in a toxic workplace and healing through fitness, spiritual alignment, and mindset work, she now helps individuals and organizations build healthy, happy teams—one heart at a time.
Through her partnership with coaches like Mark Pinto and tools like her Wellness Buddy GPT, she supports others in transforming anxiety into alignment, purpose, and peace.
Final Word
This journey isn’t about eliminating anxiety forever. It’s about becoming someone who can hold space for it without letting it take over. It’s about learning to trust your inner guidance. It’s about loving yourself so deeply that fear no longer gets the final word.
If this resonates with you, I invite you to come back to this blog—or this episode—anytime you forget how far you've come.
And if you're just starting your healing? Welcome. You're right on time.
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Hello. Hello and welcome back to Kathie's Coaching podcast. Today is something. Super special. Super close to my heart. I am interviewing one of my fellow mastermind from Flow Base Prosperity Mastermind with Joseph Rodriguez. This name is Mark Pinto and he's a coach on anxiety, and I have been working with him and he has. Awesome stories. I mean, his stories are the best. And as storyteller myself, I could tell you, you're in for a real treat today. So without further ado, let's get into the episode.
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All right, so here we are. I'm interviewing my mentor and my coach on anxiety, and I'm, I'm just gonna say this right here, right now, y'all know me, you know, I'm open, you know, I share myself and my story and my vulnerability. And the thing is, is co getting a coached on anxiety just makes me a better coach in general. Um, just all of my coaches, and I've worked with all of them inside our mastermind. And so I'm gonna share a little bit of my journey that has gone on with my coach, mark Pinto. And so welcome today, mark. How you doing? Thank you for having me. I'm good. I'm, I feel good. It's a nice day. It's sunny outside. You know, honestly, I, I enjoy, I only used to enjoy the sunny days, but now I enjoy the rainy days. The cloudy days. I just enjoy nature a lot more now. I know, right? And me too. And in fact, mark and I had a coaching call the other day where it started raining on him and he just went with the flow. And I love that. And I, I wanna talk to, today I wanna talk about, um, how we find inspiration even in the middle of anxiety, even in the middle of a lot of stress. Because I don't care who you are, you are experiencing anxiety in some way, shape, or form. And when you become aware of that, you get to find your own energy and you get to find a lot of power. And as Mark likes to say, you're not thinking in this little brain. And he holds up his little iPod case. I have that. Yeah. And then yeah, there's the iPod case. So. Uh, instead, let's think with our bigger brain, he uses a notebook, but honestly, I like to think of it as intelligence, which is bigger than the notebook, but the visual is very helpful and really makes you see. So, um, the very first thing I wanna ask you, mark, is how, how do you start when you're coaching on anxiety? Like, do you, how, how do you find your questions? Because I just felt right at home with you when I, when I talked to you, and it was like really a good journey that we went through together. So let's, how, how do you find out what, where somebody is on their anxiety scale? Well, uh, the first thing I do is, um, is like I always. Say a little prayer in my mind when I'm talking to somebody and I say, God, give me the, give me the message that you've been trying to give to them that they haven't received. Right. So that's something I do silently, you know when I'm talking. Yeah. Even if it's just a stranger in the street.'cause sometimes you're just talking with some stranger and you're having to talk a conversation about nothing. But then all of a sudden it just turns into something and you realize that this person needs something. They, they're dealing with something. And then I say that silent prayer and sometimes they're not even talking about anything. But I can feel that there's something that's they need. And I'll say that silent prayer again. So that's the first thing I do is say that silent prayer. And then the next thing I do is I just ask them like what they've been going through, like, explain it to me.'cause when I can hear how you speak. I can hear, I can, I'll know where you're at. You know, like if you're saying my anxiety and you know, which you're identifying with the anxiety and you're saying, uh, this happened to me and it made me really anxious, then I know that you think that circumstances are creating your anxiety and it's not how you, not the story about the circumstance, but you think it's the thing, you know. And so as you speak naturally and tell me about what's going on, I can feel through the, your words, like exactly where you're at, you know? And then I start to intuitively know where we need to go and, and where we need to get started. But, you know, it's like, it's just like ourselves, you know? When we get connected and we get guidance, God never gives you like the, the whole like steps from A to Z, you know, God gives you like the first step, you know? And then when you take that step, then you get to see the next step. And then, so I do the same thing in, in my coaching, you know, so it's like, you know, I know where we are going. But we have to start where we're at, you know? Ooh, I love that. And, you know, um, I like the reframe that Mark helped me identify because when you stop calling it my anxiety, it shifts everything. And it's like the anxiety, the anxiety becomes your teacher. And so, um, there's lessons always to be learned. And one thing I really love about my journey with Mark is he emphasized. Um, doing nothing, number one. Number two is also getting in nature to get your answers to anything. And so, especially on a call the other day, he told me about how he got an answer to a question he was thinking about, and I really liked how he, um, he framed it where you don't go in demanding the answer, give me the answer, gimme the answer. So I want Mark to tell us about that and kind of give us an idea of what. That situation looked like because he's an awesome storyteller, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So, um, so I, I've been working on getting, uh, getting back in shape like how I used to be. I'm 47, so in my thirties, in my early thirties, I was in amazing shape, six pack and everything. And I've been working to get back and intuitively I've been guided to, to track my macros. And as I'm tracking my macros, I'm just really enjoying it and I'm, I'm hitting my macros every day and I'm going to the gym and I'm, I'm doing everything and I'm, I'm losing weight. And then a couple days, uh, I gained like 0.2 pounds, 0.3 pounds and 0.5 pounds. And so the second day that I saw, I gained, uh, 0.3 pounds. I was upset, like immediately I can feel the aggravation and the, the discouragement and all that stuff. And I was gonna go to the gym that morning. And then it was like, why are you even bothering? It's a waste of time and things like that. And then I immediately, I kind, I realized that this is not me. This is, um, this, this is, um, discouragement talking. This is discouragement talking.'cause all emotions come with a story, right? And they come with words and they come with thoughts. And these are not you. These are just the energies trying to take you over, trying to hook you. And so when I realized that there was discouragement, I said, okay, let's, let's put some space in between this. Let's like relax. And I was like, okay, what should I do now? Because discouragement is like, just stay home. And as I relaxed, I was like, you know what? I'm going to the gym even though I feel aggravated, even though I feel discouraged, I'm going to gym. And I knew that also, when I go to gym, I go to the sauna first and I sit in there and I stretch. And the sauna is a place for me that helps me to get intuitive guidance because it brings me in the moment. Anything that brings you in the moment helps intuitive guidance to come to you in the present moment. And that's why I love nature.'cause nature is so present, right? And so nature just helps. Anybody to get in the present moment a lot easier. So while I was in the sauna and I'm just sitting there relaxing and stretching and breathing, just being present, I get this intuitive message that says, Hey, look up on YouTube. Um, what should, um, wait. WA yourself every day. So I, I look up, it is very, very specific title. Weigh Yourself every day. So I put in Weigh Yourself every Day. And I looked that up and about three videos down I see a video from a guy. And I was like, you know, I think this is the video. The first video is like, uh, uh. And then I was like, oh, this looks like might be one. So I click on that and this guy proceeds to say, he's like in my community. He has a weight loss community in our community. Anytime somebody new comes into the community, they start to, uh, lose weight and they feel good. And then inevitably they have a day that they gain weight and they get discouraged and like, I'm not doing this anymore. They're like, I've been hitting my macros. I've been working out and I still gain weight. And I was like, holy crap. This is exactly what I was thinking. Right? Or what the, the discouragement was thinking. Let's say it like that. Right? That's what the discouragement was saying to me, right? And he said, but anybody that's been through this program that's lost weight, that's been doing this for a while, all of our older members that's been here for a while knows that you are going to gain weight. It's just part there will be fluctuations. It's just part of the journey. And so what you have to do is continue hitting your macros, continue going to the gym, continue being that fit person, and eventually you'll like lose weight. And sometime you'll spike up, but then you'll lose more and the spike up and then you'll lose more and eventually you'll get to the weight you want. But you just have to like, um, disregard those that, that, those days when it goes up and just keep doing what you know is right. And I was like, wow, look at that. Just like that, I got the answer. And when I got the answer, I was like, now discouragement has lost so much power over me. Because that was one of the things that used to discourage me a lot going on the scale. But now that I know the truth and the way that the perfect video of the guy talking about everybody that's been through this knows this already, it's kind of like, okay, well now I know it too. So that's no longer work. I know once I hit my macros, once I work out, once I'm in the calorie deficit, every day over time, I will lose weight and I'm not worried about my results every single day. I'm worried. I'm more concerned with my results overall, I. And this is what I tell people with anxiety, it's the same thing you are. I always say as, as you do the the work, you're going to have more peace. Your peace is gonna rise, but it's gonna be upward trending. It's not gonna be a straight line. It's gonna be one day. You feel lots of peace. The day you may feel a little anxiety, then you feel a lot more peace. And another that you may feel tremendous anxiety. And if you trust, if you listen to those days, you have anxiety, you'll say to yourself, this is not working and you'll give up. But the truth is, the days that you feel the most anxious when you do the work is the days that you kick anxiety in the butt the most, you know, because you are continuing to be the person regardless of circumstances. That's what creates the sharp upward trend and a lot of like, like a, like a quantum leap, which, yeah, which, which I have had since working with Mark. I've had quantum leaps in my anxiety journey and I just have to commend him. He's awesome storyteller. So I love how he reframed that discouragement. Was it, it, it wasn't him. He didn't identify with it. It was his thoughts about it that he caught on and he has an awesome story that I want him to share that talks about that. It's our thoughts about things, and I want him to share the story and how he re helped me reframe something that was going on in my life with this simple story. You're gonna be blown away when I, when, when we talk about this, and actually he's probably got more, and I, I can think of two right now, two stories I'd love for him to tell, and I'm gonna make him tell both of them. So the first one I want you to tell is about the bug in your car. Bug in the car. Oh, that was a good one. All right, so the bug in the car, that would just happen recently, right? That was just like a month or two ago, if that long. And so in Florida, in the rainy season, like all the bugs, all the palmetto bugs, which are like big roaches, they, they come into your home, right? And so apparently one came into our car, right? And I'm driving my daughter to school, my 9-year-old daughter to school in the morning. And uh, I'm driving, we are having a wonderful, beautiful day is normal. Then all of a sudden she's just like screaming and, and pointing and I'm like, oh my God, what is there like a terrorist attack going on? It was like so dramatic. Like I thought something like insane was happening. So I'm like, I'm staying calm. I feel my adrenaline spike, but I'm staying calm'cause I have to stay in control of the car. And I look around and then I look up and there's a huge roach, like palmetto bug and like right in front of my visor. And at the same time, I'm shocked. I'm also relieved because I'm like, nothing's exploding. There's no kind of crazy things happen. So I'm like, all right, just calm down. Like, first of all,'cause that first wave of anxiety shot up. So I was like, all right, let's calm down. But you have to stay relaxed'cause you driving your, your daughter and you can't like think. So I was calm down and then when I realized the roache is like right there and they can like drum drop on me, I'm like, all right. It's okay if it drops on me, like I'm not going to die. It'll be a little gross, but I have to stay, I have to stay calm so that I drive this car properly and I don't get us injured, right? So it's crawling around and my daughter is freaking out and now it's crawling back to her and, and it's going all the way back and then it crawls back into the trunk, right? And so now she's crying. She's all like in a whole different state. And for me, you know, once you start to like, uh, because anxiety helped me to have this emotional intelligence, and once you start to meditate, you start separating yourself from your feelings and your thoughts, you start to realize that like, this is what I need to teach my kids because this is going to help them to have so much of a better life if they learn to have this emotional intelligence, if they learn how to be in charge of themselves and not let emotions take them over. So for me, this is an opportunity. I'm like, she is terrified right now. She's crying. This is a great opportunity for me to, to help her. And so she's nine. I've been doing this since she can speak. Same thing with my son who's 16. So they kind of know what we're gonna go through. So I'm like, okay, first of all, calm down. Let's calm down. Let's start breathing and relaxing. They know how to breathe and relax. So we're, and she's crying. She's crying this tears, and she's trying to breathe as much as possible. So after a couple minutes of breathing and relaxing and she calms down enough, then I start talking to her. You know, a lot of times, you know, parents, they're trying to talk to their kids when they're like angry or they're scared or something like that. And the same thing with ourselves. Like, you're not gonna get anything to go into subconscious. You're not gonna be able to reason until you calm down. Right. And so once we get her to calm down, now, I asked her, I said. Okay. What did you think about what was going on? You know, when you saw the roach and she was like, well, I thought that it was gross and it might jump on me. And so I was like, okay. So now thinking those type of thoughts, that this is gross and this is gonna jump on you, how is that gonna make you feel? And she said, oh, it's gonna make me scared. I said, exactly. You know, and so I was like, so what made you scared? Was it the bug or was it that the bug jumped on you? That, that, that the, uh, was it the bug actually being present or your story about the bug? And she was like, it's the story about the bug. I was like, exactly. So if we change the story about the bug, would you, did your feelings change about the story? And she's like, yeah, and this is only she's saying, yeah. And things like,'cause we've done this hundreds of times over the years. Right. And so then I can't remember, do you remember what I changed the story to?'cause I told you when it was fresh, I. Um, I think you changed it to something like, um, you, you, I know the lesson you taught her was, it's just my thoughts about the bug. Yeah. It's just the bug. It's not, it's not the bug itself. Like, it's just my thoughts about it. It's not jumping on me, it's not getting me. So I'm just, I'm making this story up in my head. Yes, yes. And I told, and I always help with, to make a story. So I, I can't remember exactly the story, but maybe let's say the story was something like, you know, um, what if you had a dream and you dreamed that when, uh, a big roach was in the car with you and your dad, and if that roach jumped on you, that you would get all the toys you've ever wanted, like that day, you know, and then she started laughing. It was something like that. And she started laughing and I was like, exactly. You see. Like, you'd still be a little bit like, uh, but you'd be more excited, right? And she's like, yes, because you have a whole different story in your head. So I was telling you like, it's always a story and that's what I, I try to, that's what I do with my kids all the time. Every time they have something, we go through that entire process.'cause I always want them to know that your body is only reacting to the story in your head. It's not reacting to circumstances. Circum one person, it's raining, it's bad luck. Another person is raining and it's good luck because it's, you know, it's their farm needed it, you know, but, so it's, it's always your story and it's not the circumstances. Ooh. Yes. It's always the story, the always the story. And the thing is, it's identifying that you're actually telling a story because we fall unconscious and we don't even know we're telling a story. Yeah. And for my trans surfing audience, I wanna point out that what he is talking about here is the pendulum in reality, trans surfing. And the pendulum only wants your energy. So, uh, dissatisfaction and lack of fulfillment are the pendulum's favorite dishes. And remember how he mentioned discouragement, or I'm scared, or I'm afraid, but let me go back to the very beginning of that. We've gotta identify the story so we know what's making our body go like. Into this crazy thing. But when you identify the story, then you can break it down and go, okay, this is just a story, it's just my thoughts about the story. I can change it. Mm-hmm. And one of the greatest ways to stop a pendulum from swaying is to laugh and have a good time. And feel good and feel good. Feeling good will help you, um, help you, uh, come up with solutions to whatever you're going through. So the first thing before we tell the other story, I'm gonna talk about, I want you to teach us floating and what is it and why it helps and why knowing the story will help you go get into floating easily. Well, Dr. Claire Weeks, um, when I was going through like the, the worst anxieties, like, it's terrible. I was like, agoraphobia. I couldn't even leave the house. Um, I, I remember there was a moment that I just was like, I can't live like this anymore, you know? And at that moment when I was like, I can't live like this anymore. Like, I could hear it, it's like a voice, but it wasn't a voice. It was just like a knowing. And it was said, and this is before my spiritual journey, so I didn't know anything. I just, I was a person that always followed my gut, but I wasn't like a spiritual person. And I, and it said, if you can be this bad, think of how good you can be. You know, there's always another end of the spectrum. So we're saying like, you're the other, the, the bottom of the barrel right now when it comes to peace and there's a whole nother level, uh, like, and you can go all the way to this side. And so as soon as that. Message came to me. I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna find out to get there. I'm gonna figure that out. And I just went and started buying books. Like, I started researching books and learning about anxiety. And this one book, I can't remember how it happened, but it was synchronistic. Like it just came outta nowhere seemingly. And it's from Dr. Clear Weeks and it was, um, you know, you know it'cause you bought it. Yeah. I'll have a link to it in the show notes and description below because I know I have the book too. Yeah. Yeah. And, and the other book that you told me, the dare book, he talks about Dr. Claire weeks and floating in it as well. Yeah, I'll have links to both of those in the show notes and description below. So, yeah, so yeah,'cause this was like 16 years ago, but when I, um, when I read that book from, uh, Dr. Claire weeks, it helped me to like heal myself. And one of the things she talks about in there is floating and floating is basically allowing, like if you ever read another good book. To kind of help you with floating would be the Sedona Method. And Sedona Method doesn't call it floating, but what they do is they welcome the feeling. So, and they have a little, they have a little affirmation to welcoming the feeling and then allowing the feeling to pass. And so when you're floating, all you're doing is no longer resisting. Whatever you resist persists. And when you have anxieties, you wanna resist it. When you resist it, it gets worse. When you try and run from it, it gets worse. So what you have to do is allow it. And so floating is allowing when you stop and you breathe, just relax. You know, deep belly breaths, don't breathe in your chest. That creates more stress. You breathe deeply into your gut and you relax it, and that's it. You just basically breathe in and relax in your muscles. Like you, most of us are holding ourselves like this all the time. And then you can just relax your shoulders, relax your jaw, and just let it come. You know, let it come, let it do whatever it's gonna do. It always passes. Anybody that has suffered with anxiety knows that no matter how bad it is, it always passes. And so your goal is not to make it go away,'cause it's gonna go away in its own. But when you float, what you're really doing is just relaxing. And you may not feel relaxed, but you are being relaxed. That's the most important thing because being, whatever you are, being, you are going to get whatever you are experiencing is from your pathways of being, right? So if you are being anxious in the past, you are experiencing anxiety now and it has momentum. And as you start to decide to be a different person, and that's what anxiety taught me. It taught me how to be a peaceful person. Because at first when I started to do this, I didn't know what a peaceful person thought like. You know, I really didn't. And that's what all that research did. It helped me to think like, what peaceful,'cause you know, affirmations are just self-talk, you know, or self-talk is just affirmations that you're saying inside your head. So I didn't have a whole bunch of peaceful self-talk, you know, I had anxious self-talk, like, I gotta do this. What am I doing? How am I gonna get this done? No worries, lots of worries. You know, lots of trying to figure things out. Lots of trying to figure things out for hours and days, and just thinking the same thing over and over again. Those that's, that's, that's anxious thoughts. That's anxious ways of being. So when I learned how to be at peace and when I learned how to find my answers in peace and I started being peace, even when I was anxious, what I was doing was I was no longer fueling the anxiety cycle. So now I'm being peace and I'm anxious and that's okay. And as I keep being peace, even though I'm anxious. Eventually the anxiety starts l lessening and lessening and lessening and eventually it goes away. And then you'll be like, oh my God, I haven't felt anxious in so long. And then you feel anxious again'cause you haven't felt anxious. And then you just relax into that'cause that's okay too. And then eventually you don't have to deal with it anymore and you'll always have anxiety, but it won't be this big anxiety that's taken over your life. Everybody feels everything everybody has. I just saw something where they said, the Dalai Lama says that he feels anxiety, he feels sadness, he feels anger. Everybody always feels emotions. There's nothing wrong with negative emotions. The problem is what is when you let negative emotions take you over, when you identify with them and you, when you start being anger, when you start being anxiety, that's a problem. If you are experiencing, if you are experiencing anger, if you are experiencing anxiety, but you are being peace, that's okay because it's not taking you over. It's just a natural thing that happens in life. It's gonna come up and then eventually it's gonna fade away. That's right. That's right. And I love that because what you're being is where it comes from and Yeah. Uh, anxiety doesn't go away. You still have it. Yeah. And, but it's the story you tell, so you catch yourself off. This is a story, start to float. Mm-hmm. And really what helps me is I just go, okay, this story is just, I'm scaring myself. Yes. You get scared of the scared of the scared of the scared, and then you spiral and the floating helps you stop. So I wanna hear the other story. I wanna hear you tell it about your tire blowing out on the Oh, oh, yeah. That's a, that's one of my favorite stories because. Uh, I didn't realize how much anxiety money was giving me. And so, um, there was a, it was a, it started like a few, uh, few weeks before that because what I was meditating on the beach and when I was meditating on the beach, this, uh, message came to me and it said, um, and that was such a great meditation. I never told you, but it was like I was just filled with joy. Like I was sitting on the beach, it was sunny, blue skies, the sun was right on me. I was sitting close to the, to the waters, to the water was lapping up on me. And I was sitting yoga style, and I was just like, in bliss. And, and I wasn't always feeling that,'cause I, I wasn't going to the beach regularly in the morning at that time yet. I just started. And I just was like, this feels so amazing. I was just filled with joy. And then this message came to me and it said, um, man shall not eat by bread alone. And I grew up Christian, so that, like, I, that rang a bell and I was like, I know that's from the Bible. Let me go look it up. And when I looked it up. Basically what it, it was saying to me what I interpreted it as.'cause I, I used to interpret dreams too. I don't know if, if I ever told you that, but so, um, I started interpreting it like I interpret a dream. And so as I interpreted, what I felt like it was telling me is that, that, um, in that situation I was treating God, I was treating money as God, you know, man shall not live on bread alone by, by every word that come from the Lord's mouth or something like that, right? And so it was telling me to start to listen to God, put God first. Listen to your intuition. Stop listening to money, you know? And so all the money worries I had was me trying to figure things out by whatever I had in my bank account and whatever money I thought I could, could or couldn't make, you know? And so it was just like, give this to God and instead just trust God when you have money problems, go to God first. Don't try and figure out what, what you have in your account or how to make money go to God first. So I was like, okay, that sounds great. So I got tested really quickly. So, so I'm driving off to, uh, to the office to meet a friend or something like that. And as I'm going, my tire gets flat, right? I tire flat and I pull over to the side and I'm like, oh my God. Like, what am I gonna do?'cause I have no money in my account, right? I have no money in my account. And so I start to have these things go through my head, like all the board, like, what am I going to do? I have no money. I, I can't tow the car. I, how am I gonna replace the tire? No, I was supposed to have an appointment. Like, all these things started going on. I was like, Nope, man. Shall not live on bread alone, right? So let's wait, let's see what happens, right? So instead I sit in the car and I'm floating now, right? I'm floating and I'm just allowing this anxiety about money to come up and just, it's talking, it's trying to hook me. It's saying all types of like, what are you doing? How's this helping you? You know, like all these things, you know. And I'm just like, Nope, you can say whatever you want. I'm just allowing you to come up and go. And as it's coming up, and again, it starts to get quieter and quieter, and then I get an idea. And the idea is to call Tesla and find out if they can tow my car. You know?'cause it's, it's still a, it's still what's under 50,000 miles, you know, if they can tow a car and how much it's gonna cost. So then I called them. And, uh, and I'm like, Hey, you know, my car is down. I need a tire thing. And he's like, yeah, we can, uh, tow your car for free up to a certain amount of miles. So I was like, all right, well, that's great. That's one thing down, right? I don't need money for that. And then he's like, and for the tire, it's gonna be something like$1,200. It was something like, I was like$1,200. Like, I was like, all right, the anxiety comes back up. And it was like, see, what are you gonna do? Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, all right, uh, I'll let you know what I wanna do. And he's like, all right. And I hang up. And now the anxiety's like, what you, how are you gonna do this?$1,200? You don't have any? And I just was like, Nope, man. Shall not live in bread alone. I'm going to God, right? And so I sit again and I float and I relax. And then another idea comes to me, which is a, a a a Christian tire shop that I used in the past. And I know they have good rates and stuff like that, so I called them.'cause you know, you always have to replace two tires, even though one popped you, you can't replace one, you always have to replace two. So I called them and I say, Hey, you know what happened or how much his tires can be, and it saved$400. I was like, okay, that's much better. You know? But now my thoughts are still like, well, what you gonna do with, you don't even have a$2, so how you gonna do this? Right? And so I'm like, all right. I, I know I can tow it for free from Tesla to the, to the place, to the, uh, tire shop, and it's only 400 as opposed to$1,200. What am I gonna do? And, you know, there's things I can do, like I can call somebody and ask them to borrow money or something like that, but I never do anything like that unless it's inspired, because if I do that, that's because I'm, I'm in fear and I think that this is the only way I can be provided for, right? So, again, the anxiety's coming up, I don't know what to do, and I just sit there and I float again, and I'm floating. And over this whole process is probably like a hour that all of this is happening, right? And I float again. And once I'm floating, then another answer comes to me. And, and the another thing I wanna say is that I'm never trying to get an answer. All I'm doing is relaxing. Like, God, what, what do I need to do next? And then I let that go. You know, I relax. I'm not like, God, what? What's the answer? What? Why don't you tell me? No, that's not relaxing. You know, what do I need to do next? God, I'm listening, and I relax, and that's it. There's no more talking. The anxiety is coming up, the thoughts is coming up, and I don't give into them. I'm just breathing, relaxing, and relaxing my body. And then another idea comes up for an idea to do some kind of sale for my business, my online business that I've never done before. And the sale would've made me a a max of$800 if everybody bought it right. And so I was like, okay. And I did it on my phone. It was really quick, did it on my phone, something I've never tried before on my phone. And within five minutes I get a sale for like$450. It's something like, it was crazy. It was like a little bit more than I needed. And I was like, oh my God. Just like that. And then I called the Tesla. I said, Hey, can you tow it to this place, not to you tow it to the tire place. And I called the tire place and say, Hey, the car is coming. And like, great. I had not only enough money to pay for both of those tires, I had enough money to pay for Uber to pick me up later to get to go get the car. And that walk home, nobody could say anything to me. I was on top of the world. I was totally in the present moment. I saw the birds chirping. It was like a mile and a half walk home. After the tow truck picked up the car. Uh, birds were chirping. The sun was beautiful. And I just was enjoying every moment of everything.'cause I was like, I can trust God. Like it was so, it was such like. After that message I got at the beach, it was so like, this is obviously what just happened, you know? And it was like, I can actually trust God. I don't have to trust my anxious thoughts to help me to survive. Whoa. I love that. I love that in that I go back to that story so many times. It's like that's where the magic happens. And I love how he said, I don't demand an answer. Yeah. I start floating because it's gonna feel like you wanna demand an answer. Please, please give me out of this. But you start floating and then you let the answer come and notice how he didn't go with the first answer. It was more like guiding him towards the way. And, and, and here's another thing I wanna add, is that storytelling really helps us. Put ourselves in that situation.'cause we can all relate to that on, in some way, shape, or form. Yeah. And we've all been there. And so it, what happens with me and with my coaching with Mark is I'll take his stories and I'll remember them and I will use them on myself if I start find myself telling a story. And here's one that is super powerful and um, I really wanna hit home on this because Mark's been coaching on anxiety for a while and he had a client who had really bad anxiety and something happened to her brother and she was able to handle that with zero anxiety. And I'm not gonna tell you the details because I want Mark to tell you. Yeah. Also I wanted to tell you,'cause this came up, so I was like, maybe this is important to share, but I wanna tell your viewers like. If I had listened to anxiety with that tire story, this is what anxiety told me to do. Anxiety told me to drive the car with a flat home'cause I was only like a mile and a half from home and park it in the garage and ask somebody for money. So this would've been the, if I didn't sit and wait and float and relax and have that wonderful outcome, what would I probably would've did is destroy my rim, maybe even get into another accident, and then stress out and ask people to borrow money and feel ashamed and all kinds of, and this is what anxiety does when you, when you follow it, it just makes everything worse. Right. So I just wanted to throw that in there.'cause that just came up for me. I was like, you know, you have to see the difference between what anxiety will tell you to do and what God will tell you to do. You know, and that's why I could walk home feeling on top of the world because I, I, I, I, I took the guidance of abundance and love instead of anxiety and fear, you know. Yeah. I love that. It just makes me feel better in the moment and, um, I hope it, it resonates with you. I, I trust it resonates with you as well as, as the viewers. So tell us about your client. Uh, what happened with her and her brother? Yeah, so I had this client, and I'll tell you from, uh, how she started because it's important to the story because she, I had another person that I helped with anxiety, and then she, uh, this is like a family friend that was going through anxiety too. And she said, you know, mark, to help me, she can, he can help you too. So I started, the first day I called, I remember she had just. Quit school, college because her anxieties were so bad that she felt like she couldn't continue in college. And um, and I was talking to her and telling her, you know, that I had anxieties too and you know, and I can help her. And, you know, I know that she doesn't feel like she's a normal person and know,'cause you know, when you're anxiety, a lot of times you look at other people and you're like, I just wanna be normal like that again. You know? And I knew she wanted, she wanted that. And I would say that. And at the end of the conversation she said, you know, the way you speak, I. You feel so happy and you have all this peace. And I would can never believe that you can, you can have more anxiety than even I have right now from your story. The only reason I even believe you is because you're saying things that only an anxious person would know. Like saying like, I wanna be normal again. You know? And she's like, that's the only reason. But other than that, I would think you're full of it. You know? And so, and even talking about anxiety, she's like, you can talk about anxiety and this. I was like, yeah. And so, so I was like, and you will be able to too if you just do the work that I, I give you to do. And so she was like, okay. And so she was really good. She was really diligent, just like Kathy is like, she does the work, you know? And like, and no matter what I told her to do, she was always doing, she's very, very consistent. And so, uh, this is months has passed and she calls me and I'm not even speaking to her that much anymore because she's just so much better. Right? And, um, one day she calls me and she's like, mark. I gotta tell you a story. She's like, I was at the club with my brother, you know, and some friends and they're in New York and, and um, somebody was shooting in the club and they shot my brother by mistake and my brother is shot and everybody's freaking out. There's like stamping people running out and I am there calming everybody else down. And she was like, I was calming everybody else down, mark. And I was like, wow. I was like, do you see? And she's like, that's Incr. I can't believe that I was the one calming everybody down. The one that's supposed to have the anxieties. I'm the one that's calming everybody down. And I told Larry, I said, that's because it's never about the situation. And this was a huge, huge, like showing of that, that it had nothing to do with the circumstance and it has to do with who you are being. Right. It's not about what's happening to you, it's who you're being during the circumstance. And because she has been training to be peace and allow things to come through her and pass and to think like through a lens of peace and centeredness, since she's been learned, taught that for months and weeks and things like that. When she had the opportunity to do this, it was already embedded in her. It was already habitualize. She didn't even have to think about it. She knew she got in the present moment, she probably was breathing and relaxing. She probably was saying affirmations like, I can handle this. I can handle this. You'll be okay. You know, and then those, those affirmations probably was externalized to the people around her because now she is being peace. Right. And so when you are being peace, you, you reduce anxiety within yourself and in your circumstances because you are the person that's taken everything and filtering it through calmness. You know, you're just like, calm everything down, right? Because this is who you are. But when you're anxiety, it doesn't matter how small the thing is, you will blow everything up'cause you're taking everything and you, you're filtering it through anxiety and you turn, you're turning, uh, molehills into mountains now, you know? And so, and, and even in the end of, there's even something that I think is really beautiful with her story too. Not only that,'cause she was so proud of that, but I called her like a couple years after, you know, we stopped coaching just to check up on her. And she had casually said to me, uh, she's like, oh yeah, I just graduated from, uh, college, you know, I. Uh, last month or something like that. And she said, and she's like, oh, and I have a baby on the way. And like I started like tearing up, like I started like getting emotional and she wasn't emotional at all. But she doesn't remember the first conversation we ever had was her saying she left college because of anxiety and she couldn't do it anymore. And I didn't even know she went back to college. I didn't know this part, you know. And so now that she was Grant and now like it feel like God was telling me like, this is what can happen when you help people. Like she, you changed the whole trajectory of her life because of what you went through. Because you were able to heal yourself and then you shared it with somebody else. You know? So that's that story that, and that last time I spoke to her really helped me to continue with my coaching.'cause it felt like more of a responsibility now. And just instead of just something I was doing for money, you know. I absolutely love that. And that is the truth. Hands down, that works. And so my journey with Mark, he's in my mastermind, in the flow-based Prosperity MAs mastermind. And I would hear him talking about his journey with anxiety and I'm like, oh my God, that's me. I know he knows what he's talking about. I ha I, my anxiety was off the charts, even though everything in my life is like really, really great and things are fine and everything, you know, it just seems like it. But what happened was the neural pathways were just like so ingrained in my head that I had to rewrite my stories. I had to start floating. I had to start re, I had to start healing from anxiety.'cause it's like, and I did a video on this not too long ago. It's like my body became addicted to anxiety and just. In a state of anxiety all the time. I didn't realize it, and now that I'm healing from it, I, I'm like, oh wow, this feels so much better and I can remain in peace despite the things that are going on around me. And I'm also starting to see that my peace. Is starting to affect everybody else in my world, even if I don't even say anything. Yeah. I don't even have to say anything. It's just a mere presence that goes on, and it is the presence of God and it is the presence that is, it's the, it's the most powerful presence and it's the peace that passive all understanding, all understanding. It's definitely that because anxiety is it, it it, it is the teacher. It's not mine, it's the teacher and it's guiding you to the truth, which is where the peace that passes all understanding comes from. And I'm. Feeling that and I've it, uh, that's amazing. Yeah. Did I tell you this, that story, the piece that passed it all in the standing? No. And I can't wait to hear it. Oh my God. I guess you just, it triggered the story. I thought I told you about that. So when I was having anxiety, you know, I, I had this thought that kept coming to me, that peace that passed, all understanding, the peace that passed, all understanding. And that kept coming to me, right? And I was like, what is that? Like how do I get that? And I started reading the Bible, the piece that passed all understanding. And I started like really like wondering what is the piece that passed it all understanding. And then one day I'll scroll on the internet. And I saw an ad for tm, which is transcendental meditation. That's the meditation that Oprah does. How it stern does Arnold Schwarzenegger, like all these celebrities and CEOs. Um, uh, and so, and it said that there's a, um, scholarship, right? Because I had no money. And so it's like there's a scholarship that you can fill out. So every TM center, there's TM centers in different cities all over, all over the world. And so there was one in my county too. And so I fill out this thing for a scholarship. I went to go see them, uh, go, go to it, and they, they approved me to pay for the whole thing, which was very rare. Usually they pay it for a little bit, but they paid for the whole thing. I was like, thank you. So I was so grateful. And then we went through the training for how to do this meditation, and over the couple days we're doing this meditation. And then one day I'm sitting there and I'm doing this meditation. And, and I feel this is the first time this I felt the separateness. So I'm sitting in meditation doing tm, and then I can feel the anxiety starting to come up, you know? And the panic starting to come up. And I stay in meditation doing the TM technique, and then I can feel it, and then it finally passes. And I was like, and like the whole thing didn't pass. But you know, like the, like I tell you, the edge comes off, right? And I didn't feel as anxious anymore. And I felt like I got operate again. And then I opened my eyes and I'm like, oh my God. The peace beyond understanding. That's what it is. It is literally the, the secret is in the words, it's the peace beyond understanding. And before that moment, I used to try to understand my way to peace. You know, so I'm anxious about money. I'm like, well, you know, I'm gonna, a check is coming and, you know, and, and maybe I can sell something like that. And, you know, it'll be, it'll be okay. It'll be okay. Or, you know, somebody's sick. And I'll just be like, you know, well, you know, we do, we will go to the doctor and we'll get these drugs. And I was always trying to understand my way into feeling better, you know, and when I sat there in meditation and I felt the anxiety come up and I didn't get involved in it, and I just allowed it to be there, and then it eventually dissipated. I realized in that moment, the peace beyond understanding is not trying to understand your way into peace. It is just allowing peace to rain, basically. You know, when you are allow and you relax, then anxiety will pass. Anger will pass. No d depression, feeling down will pass and you will be left with the peace that you already are. And so that, that's, I, I totally forgot about that, but that was my first time ever realizing that I am not my feelings and I am not my thoughts. And it was led to me from that piece beyond understanding. Yeah. I love that. That is a, um, that is what. Will happen if you just allow the emotion to come through and let it just rise. And it's been proven that it takes 90 seconds for emotion to go all the way through your body. And so that 90 seconds of floating, I mean, real floating. Yeah. Because when he says, take the edge off, I know from experience it doesn't just go away. It's still there. But I see it subsiding. And when he talks about that, um, journey, it's an upward journey. You're gonna come back down and hit anxiety again. But it's the teacher, it's the teacher that's guiding you where to go to the piece that passes all understanding. And I think, uh, you know, I, I wanna respect your time and I think this is a good place to stop.'cause we could definitely go on for a long, long time. But I, I, I definitely want you to come back on the channel and we'll talk about the journey that's gonna. You know, go, go through with this and we'll see what happens. And I, I look forward to talking to you again on the channel. Um, so where can people find you? Uh, to, and I definitely will have the links in the show notes and description before below. But go ahead and tell us where people can find you and where they can work with you. Uh, you, well, you can find me on, uh, manifested mark on YouTube. I don't really have a lot of like, you know, Kathie's actually might help me with this'cause I don't really have websites and all this stuff set up. I have a Calen, Calendly, am I saying it right? Yeah, yeah. I have a link that you can book, uh, with me, uh, a meeting, a discovery meeting, and she'll put the link below. But I honestly, people come to me through word of mouth and through just guidance. Like people are guided to me and that's how I get most of my clients. And I, I don't, I try to, you know, do like the way a coach is supposed to do a couple times and I just didn't like it. And so I just was like, you know what, God, if you want people to work with me, then people will work with me. And that's exactly what happens. People just come to, matter of fact, today when I was sitting in the Zen Garden that I knew, one, I found that I told you about. I got a message that somebody is going to, somebody that I used to work with is gonna come back and work with me again. So I'll let you know if that happens, because usually when I get a, a message like that, that somebody's gonna call me or something, it, it usually happens, you know? So I was like, oh, we'll see. You know? But, uh, one thing I do wanna say before we close is that I just wanna let anybody that's watching this, that you have, you may be experiencing anxiety. I want you to understand what it is. Anxiety is not trying to de to destroy you, it's your friend. Honestly, actually. And even the girl that her brother got shot in the nightclub, which she's okay by the way. I didn't say that, but he's okay. Even her, I remember telling her that one day you're gonna call anxiety the teacher. Because it's actually trying to help you. And she was like, mark, that's never going to happen. And now every time I speak to her, she's like, the teacher. The teacher, you know? Because what happens is that the, your way of being is stressful for your body and your soul. And your body. When you start experiencing anxiety, your body is telling you when you have a pain somewhere in your body, it's not just being a pain just to be a pain. It's being a pain to tell you something. Your body's communicating with you. And we've lost the art of listening to our body in our society, but our body's always talking to us. So this anxiety is telling you alert, there's something wrong. The way you're doing something is something wrong. And the way that like messages work is that first it's a whisper, and if you don't listen, eventually a bus hits you. So when you're having this terrible anxiety, it's from not listening to your body for a long time. And so now you're sensitized, your body's very sensitive. And I believe this is all I, what I believe from healing myself two times and from talking to people, you know, um, is when your body's really sensitive, it's because it's trying to get your attention. And when anxiety gets so big, it takes over your entire world. It's because it's like something needs to change. And when you start listening to it, when you stop running from anxiety, when you stop fighting anxiety and you start listening to it and being like, what is it that you're trying to teach me? God, what is it? What is it that I need to know? You'll start to know the things. Maybe you should stop drinking alcohol, right? Maybe you should take down less caffeine. Maybe there's certain people around you that you don't need to be around anymore. Obviously you're not talking to yourself nicely. You're not being loving and kind to yourself in the way you speak. Maybe you're not eating in a way that's really good for your body. Maybe you're not moving and exercising all these things. And then what you start doing when you start taking care of yourself is you start healing yourself. And what anxiety is just helping you to do is to listen and to love yourself. And when you listen to yourself and you love yourself over and over and over again, and you start to be the person that is listening to yourself and loving yourself, then anxiety has no longer a reason to be there. And it reduces and reduces, and reduces, and reduces.'cause you're a different person. You've learned your lesson. So I just want to tell everybody that because there's a lot of information and anxiety that makes it feel like something you have to fight when it's the actual opposite. It's something you should listen to and embrace. I. Oh, whoa. Bomb exploding. And I have to tell you that working with Mark has taught me all of that. So I enjoy alcohol, I like to drink, but right now I'm healing from anxiety and I know that it makes it worse. Another thing that happened was I was caffeine. I did a pre-workout in the morning before I got, you know,'cause I don't drink coffee, but I drank a pre-workout. I drank an energy drink. I went in my supplement. Store the other day, and they were like, Kathy, you want your energy drink? And I said, oh yeah, I forgot. I don't drink those anymore because of my, I'm healing from anxiety. Yeah. I knew it. Yeah. And honestly, to tell you the truth, what happened was my body just started feeling better and it started, I, I, I started taking care of myself. Like he said, it's all about self-love. And it starts there. And when I started doing that, those habits just fell away. I didn't even realize, I got up one morning and I was like, I didn't, I went to the gym and I didn't even have a pre-workout. What? That's, that hasn't happened in years. In, in years. I'm not kidding you. Probably at least five or six years. And I'm like, Hmm, I don't need the caffeine. I did not have headache withdrawals because I was taking care of myself because I was doing meditation. Exactly. Mm-hmm. And because I was like, um, to your rest. Yeah. And getting my rest and my sleep is so much better. Yeah. And you know, I still have, you know, bouts with anxiety, but I know what it's, what it's doing now. It's just, it's what it is, is this, the ego just clawing for its dear life. And I see it. And I love how the book Dare teaches you this. How? Yes. Uh, okay, whatever. Uh, come on, bring it on. Lemme see what got. And then also to ta um, there's a part in that book, and let's talk about this real, real quick before we go. But, um, there's a part in the book where. Anxiety has you give it this little voice and let it talk and let it tell you what's going on. Because I still have anxiety, especially when I first wake up, like my brain is going, oh God, we gotta do this. We gotta do this, we gotta do this. But now I'm in the habit of taking care of myself first thing in the morning, and I'm letting go of a lot of like old limiting beliefs. Like, I've gotta get paid by the hour and I've gotta go to work and I've gotta show up to work because I've been in corporate for so many years, but now I'm an entrepreneur. And an entrepreneur is so much more kind to you than a freaking boss and corporate telling, you gotta clock in, you gotta clock out, and we don't care about your mental health, whatever. Just come on. But my brain was, those neural pathways were so engraved that when I wake up in the morning, it'll, it'll hit. Mm-hmm. It'll hit me. But I'm like, okay, teacher. And so real, real quick. If, if we can do it real quick. Yeah. How, um, how does dare tell you that the voice goes and you have the conversation with anxiety? Well, the DARE is the book that, uh, it came to me like, uh, maybe like, I don't know, maybe like 10 years after I had anxiety that first time I had it again. And it was, it wasn't as bad as the last time, but it was pretty bad and it was really confusing. I was like, why am I experiencing this? I, I thought I took care of this, you know? And um, and then I learned that, you know, I really, the last time I, the way I got through it is I, I read that Clear Weeks book. Um. And I read only one chapter and one chapter. In that book, it was basically telling you how anxiety is a cycle. So something triggered you, you had anxiety, and then you start being afraid of the anxiety and that creates more anxiety. So there's a spiral. So as soon as I read that, I was like, oh, I know what I need to do, and I just ignored it. That's all I did. I ignored it at every moment I could. I listened to music, I would sing along with the music. I started doing things I enjoyed. Like I started fishing. I started playing basketball, you know, just doing as many things I enjoyed. And then what really took me, uh, to like a hundred percent as I got a job that I really loved, it was my dream job at that time. And that job, I loved it so much that I was always present in the job and I just forgot that I even had anxieties, you know? And then that's what really got me out that cycle, and I didn't up experience it again. So the second time it happened, what happened is that I did not learn all the lessons I needed to learn. You know, and so when I found the steer book and I joined their community, they have a great, the book is great and they have a community that's really great. I joined the community and I started listening to the stories and the testimonials and real, what they're saying. I started to learn that there was way more to it and to, what she's talking about is the talk. So when anxiety starts talking to you, you know,'cause every emotion has some kind of story, has some kind of talk they tell you to stop and they tell you to, um, to change your story and say something different. And what they got from is cognitive behavioral therapy. And so, and I started reading a book on that too. And all cognitive behavioral therapy is, is basically. Writing down all your negative thoughts because all these thoughts that's coming to you, all these anxious thoughts, it's the same thought over and over and over again. It's probably like, you know, one to 20 of the same type of thought going over and over again in the loop. And so you write that down and then you write something that's the opposite of that, that's that relaxes that, that anxiety in that area, you know? And when you learn to have something else,'cause when you float and relax, you need to replace it. You know? You don't wanna just float and relax and then go ahead thinking the same way you thought before.'cause that's gonna create more of the same, right? And so you need to float and relax and then you need to be the new person. And Dr. Joe talks about this too, right? To get up from your meditation as the new person. And so you have to be that person that thinks in a way that's opposite to the way you were thinking before that got you in this place, in the first place. I. And so that's what they talk about in that book. And that was really p that is a really powerful thing because people, especially if your anxiety, the anxiety experience is not very dramatic. You can heal just like that because like the source of those, those thoughts, as soon as you change them, there's no more anxiety to be created. You know? And even if you have a lot of anxiety, all that means is that your body's very sensitized. And like she, like Kathy was saying, you're in a habitual pattern. Like you got addicted to anxiety. You know, it's like habitually coming up even when there's no reason to come up. So now you just have to learn to relax every time that comes up and think the new thoughts and practice a new feeling. So when you think those new thoughts, when you practice peace, when you practice joy, as you relax and practice peace, relax, and practice joy, relax, practice peace, relax, practice joy. You are creating a new habitual pattern within your body. And now what's gonna happen is you're gonna have spontaneous feelings of deep peace. You're gonna have spontaneous moments of joy for no reason, because this is what you're practicing now. And that that book has a, and you know, in that book, in the end of that book, when you read that dear book, in the end of it, he says basically that all of this basically boils down to you loving yourself. That's what he says. And I'm just like, wow. Like every single thing. Like there's a this Louise Hayes, which you know, I love, and I give Louise Hayes to everybody and she says, you know, I used to fix this about the person and this, you know, when somebody's worried about their weight, somebody's worried about relationships, somebody's worried about money. And she's like, once I start teaching people to love themselves. All of those things just start to fall away, and I didn't have to work on this and on that and that. And the longer I go on this journey, the spiritual journey, the more people I help, the more times I help myself, I realize that this is true. It all is just loving yourself. When you start loving yourself as much as you can every single day and growing in that love, everything starts falling away and everything just improves. Because if you love yourself, you want to have you, you can only allow the best people in your life. If you love yourself, you're gonna make sure that you have a good wage and you have, you earn a good living. You know, if you love yourself, you're gonna make sure you're healthy and you take care of your body. You know you're gonna do everything you need to do and more. Whoa, that's a good place to leave this because that is the truth. Bottom line, because you are God, you are the universe and that is where you, your power comes from. And when you realize that, it's like, wow, everything falls into place. Just like he knew what to do with the tire. Just like the girl knew what to do with the her brother getting shot, just like he knew what to do with the bug. And on top of that, he taught his children. Very valuable lessons that they can apply later in life. And it that's true. Uh, as a coach myself and a wellness consultant and a wellness coach, that's all. If, if you can teach somebody to love themselves, then all your work is done. It's just, and you could just watch this video, watch it again, watch it again, watch it again, and, and you will start to feel that self love that we're talking about, because that has changed everything. When I started working with Mark, I wanna say just two months ago, and people are already noticing a difference in me that don't even know that I. I did that. You know, I went through this coaching, but I dramatic change. It's just a matter, it's just a matter of finding that self-love that I had lost because I beat myself up so many times. And that's all anxiety is doing is is beating you up. But when you ask it to teach you the lesson, it guides you too. That, so that's where we're gonna leave this today, and I promise you we'll have Mark back on because we're still on this journey and I, it's never a destination. Right. I want you to remember that too. It's never a destination, it's just a journey. And fall in love with it because I can tell you when you do, woo, it's where the magic happened. That's right. Alright, thanks Mark. Thank you so much. Okay.
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