#16: Finance Wizard Natalie Kime of Wealth Wave

January 13, 2022, by Kathie Owen

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Questions we discuss with Natalie on the episode:

  • What’s one thing your finance business did that you didn’t expect?
  • What is a common myth about finance that you help burst?
  • What’s the biggest challenge you’re facing today how are you tackling it?
  • What is the most important lesson you’ve learned over your career?
  • In your opinion, what is the most important personality trait/strength someone would need to work in your industry?
  • Who has been your most important professional mentor?
  • What’s one lesson your job has taught you that you think everyone should learn at some point in their life?
  • Did you always want to be a finance wizard?
  •  What’s one thing about your finance expertise that almost no one agrees with you about, Or do you have one thing that polarizes you?
  • What’s your favorite productivity hack or short cut for entrepreneurs?
  •  I have to ask: What does your morning routine look like?
  • I notice you did 75 Hard last year, what did you like about it?
  • And Do you have a favorite fitness or movement tip you’d like to share?
  • Do you have any fitness advice for others?
  • Do you have any hacks for a positive mindset when facing struggles?
  • Do you have any books to recommend to my audience?
  • What about  podcasts you’d recommend to my audience?
  • Where can my listeners find you online?
  • Anything else you’d like to add????

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Did you always want to be a finance wizard? No. So, uh, like I said, I had a 20 year career in corporate finance. They started out in accounting, transactional, corporate accounting. Um, I didn't love it. And about three or four years into my career, I was able to transition to the finance side, which I love because the finance side, it takes all those numbers, accounting in the computer and tells a story.

Your business is growing here, struggling here, whatever. It was so much that spoke to me so much more, being able to tell a story, um, and people would say to me, why don't you get your CPA? You know, or why don't you go back and get your MBA and get into the C suite level of management. And I didn't ever want to do that.

I didn't want my career. To have total control of everything else in my life. So I really shied away from going that next step with certifications and licensing.

You're listening to stop the mind screw podcast. I'm your host, Kathie Owen Certified Fitness Trainer and Mindset Coach since 2002 transforming lives and magic fashion teaching.Stop the mind screw process

Today. We have a special guest on the podcast. my friend and fellow entrepreneur and finance coach, Natalie Kime of Wealth Wave. And in this interview, she dropped some really good gold nuggets of mindset, changes and information. So you don't want to miss a piece of it. And without further ado, let's get into the show.

Welcome to the stop, the mind screw podcast. This is my friend and fellow entrepreneur, Natalie Kime of Wealth Wave. And hi, Natalie, how are you doing today? I'm great, Kathie, how are you? I'm good. Good, good. Hey, um, let's start with an introduction of you and, um, tell us what you do and how you help us. Yeah, absolutely.

So I am a financial professional and what I do is work with individuals and families to help them put together a pathway to reach their financial goals. So everything I do starts from an educational standpoint. Um, one of the things that I've realized in this industry in my business is that a lot of people don't know a whole lot about how money works.

So I start by educating them on some of the basics so that we can build the conversation from there. And at that point, I pretty much meet them where they're at. So whether they're just starting out and need to build a budget and kind of get their arms around their finances so they can figure out what the next steps are, or if there's somewhere along the process and they're just ready to take the next steps and add more to their portfolio, then I'm able to help them with that.

Alright. Awesome. And so Natalie, if somebody wanted to work with you, like, um, how do they sign up and, and what is it called? If I, so to work with me, usually people will just reach out to me either. They find me through social media, they might be referred by another client or somebody that knows me and knows about what I do.

So they'll usually reach out via email or a text or phone call, even a private message or direct message online. And I usually set up just an initial conversation with them where I'll give them just a couple of small education facts and kind of an overview about what it is that I do, and just make sure that we kind of connect that they're comfortable with the process and what we're going to do.

So the first appointment is 20 to 30 minutes. It's real simple. Um, and it costs nothing to work with. So my clients are never going to pay me directly. I'm not like if you went into, you know, a big, um, I don't know who Merrill Lynch or somebody like that to sit down and do a financial review. A lot of times you'll pay an hourly fee for that consultant or that professional to work with you.

And we don't do that in the company I work with. Which is something I love about it because it means I can help absolutely. Anybody regardless of where they're at. Yeah. Yeah. I like that too. All right. So let's talk about the one thing in your business that you did not expect. Um, I would have to say the one thing I didn't expect is how many Americans, how many people I talked to that just don't understand some of the basics.

Basic concepts about finances, about money. Um, you know, as aware that there's not really a formal financial education that happens in our schools today, even in college, I think there's now about 17 states that do require a single personal finance class as part of their curriculum. But so many people don't understand, you know, even the rule of 72 or compound interest and how that works.

And that's really where I start with more, most of my clients in that introductory call is just explaining how that works and then we can have the conversations about. Where that fits for them. Um, but yeah, I would have to say that's the biggest thing. Um, and in all honesty, how much, I didn't know. Um, I had a 20-year career in corporate finance prior to starting my own business.

Um, and there's just so many, um, money concepts that I just never realized they didn't come into play for me. So I didn't really know they existed. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So along those same lines, what's a common myth about finance that you hope bursts. Cause it sounds like you're, you're hitting right on it right now.

Yeah. So first and foremost is. The lack of education that's out there. Um, but the biggest myth I think is that people think they have to have money to be able to work with somebody like me. They have to have a big chunk of money to put somewhere. And that is not the case. Like I mentioned before, I start by working with people who just need to put a budget in place and just figure out where their money's going and what's happening with it.

So I, unfortunately, I think historically in America that's been the premise. When you had a big chunk of money, you went to a financial professional and they help you decide where to put it. And everybody, middle America, low income America, that didn't have a big chunk of money. Just never worked with a financial professional.

And that's not true. That's one of the main reasons the company that I'm affiliated with was created is so that they could work with anybody. And putting together a financial plan for their future. Right. And that's so awesome. I love that. So what's a big challenge that you're facing today. And how are you tackling it in your business?

Oh, for me, honestly, it's consistency, Kathy. I mean, you're an entrepreneur. It's different than, you know, when you have a job. You know what the expectations of that job is, these are the hours you work. These are the tasks that you complete. This is when you do them. Um, and so even though there's a little flexibility within that, you have that main structure and as an entrepreneur, you don't.

And so it's very easy to get sidetracked. Um, Or even the things that are, are maybe the least favorite part of what you do or the most difficult part, right. You tend to kind of ignore those at times, I think. And, and yet you can't, they're so important. And so for me, going into this year, consistency is my word for the year consistency in each and every segment of what I do to hold myself more accountable.

To show up in all the places within my company that I need to. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. And so like, uh, going into the next question, it sounds, uh, very similar to what is the most important lesson you've learned over your career. And also maybe while you're answering that, tell us how long you've been working for yourself.

Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. So the biggest lesson I learned is that nobody's going to do it for. I know there's a big, if, if any of your listeners are on social media, there's a big thing out there, especially in Tik TOK and reels on Instagram about nobody's coming to save you. Nobody's going to get you from a to B, right?

And that's the honest truth. There's nobody else that's going to do it for you, whether you have a job or whether you work for yourself, it's on your shoulders to get where it is. You want to go in your career overall. Um, and so. Knowing that and taking accountability for that and setting goals within that.

Are so important. Um, I started my business. It'll be three years ago in March and I started very part-time. I would even say spare time. And that's one of the great things about the company I work with too, is when they created it, they created it so that people could work in this company. Part-time so it can be that side hustle, that extra income, or it can be that thing that you build and eventually.

That job or that career with, to work for yourself, which is what I did. So my first year in the company, I worked maybe five to 10 hours a week was all my second year, I went to a true part-time. I was working 20 to 30 hours a week, depending on what I had on my schedule on top of my full-time job. And then in April of last year, so 2021, April 15th was my last day in corporate America.

And I stepped into working my business full time. Um, and the best bit of advice I got when I did that was work. Like you can still be fired. So that kind of goes back to that consistency thing, right? If you're not doing those most important things consistently, you could end up struggling as an entrepreneur and in a sense, fire yourself, because you can't, you can't maintain your business.

You can't get where you need to go. Um, so yeah, almost a year. Uh, well, nine months, I guess, a full-time now, and it is not for the faint of heart by any stretch of the imagination, but it is also so very rewarding. I absolutely love it. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I would agree with all of that as well. And so what do you think is the most important personality trait or strength that someone would need to work in your industry?

So people that do really well in my industry and doing what I do are people that. Come from a team background. Um, former military members do really well here. School teachers do well here because of the educational piece of what we do. People who've been in a sales background. So I think what comes into play with all of those, what stands out to me as somebody with charisma and personality, the ability to get to know people, um, on their level, not your level, definitely a work ethic.

Um, and I think the most important thing, not just in my industry, but as, as overall for entrepreneurs is to have a strong why to know why you're doing what you do to be passionate about what you're doing. That keeps you plugged in with the ups and downs. Yes. Yes. So, you know, I noticed something the other day on your social media that you were talking about, how you teach people to do what you do.

Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, absolutely. So in my business, uh, I grow my business in multiple ways. The first one is by working with. And like I said, my clients don't pay me directly, but if they move forward with a financial plan and get products that fit their financial goals, then those product providers pay me.

So I do get paid for doing what I do. A lot of people say that, how do you make money? But the other thing I do is I build a team. So right now I'm currently working on hitting broker. Um, and the best way to explain my industries, it's a lot like a mortgage broker or real estate broker. So you have a broker in house and they have individual agents that work with them.

However, in the traditional model, if an agent wants to become their own broker, they have to break off and go open their own brick and mortar. Um, brokerage in our business. Anybody within a team can become a broker by just meeting certain requirements. Do you don't have to get a brick and mortar. You don't have to set up your own LLC and all these crazy things and go into a lot of expense.

Um, it's just meeting requirements within your business. So right now to hit broker, I am building my team to 10 agents that work with me and the really cool thing about our industry is you don't need any experience. Um, or, or I should say our company, you don't need any experience. We will provide you all the training, all the education that you need to learn, how to do what I do.

Um, I will sit beside you walk beside you through your initial appointments, through all that training until you're confident and ready. To start working with your clients individually on your own. So when you build a team, it's like a brokerage that broker gets a small piece of everything that sold underneath them.

But as each person makes broker, then they reached that exact same level and they're able to build their own teams. And right now we have about 10,000 licensed agents, but we're looking in the next five to 10 years to get up to a hundred thousand. So definitely an industry that's growing a ton of opportunity.

Um, I'm just looking for people who want that opportunity to take a chance on themselves to create time, freedom and financial freedom for themselves and their family. And those, those are the people that do really great here and that I, I am looking to work with. Awesome. Awesome. So if you're listening and y'all hear that and your ears just perked up, you're going to find where to find Natalie by the end of this as, so be sure to check that out.

And it will also be in the show notes, who has been your most important professional mentor, and maybe even let us know where we can find you. Yeah, so, oh my gosh, there are so many amazing people who cross my path. Um, when I was in corporate America, I started my career with JC penny at their shared services center in salt lake city.

And my first manager there, his name was Jason Hagadorn. I believe he's a CFO for a. What is it a furniture company for businesses? So like desks and a big nationwide company that does that. Um, he literally molded my career and helped me become the best entry-level manager that I could be. And I still go back to things that he taught me along the way.

Um, I would say in my industry, I'm in now. Um, my personal mentor is Brian lender. He is my current broker. I'm on his team and I get to work with him. We opened an office together, uh, about three or four months ago, uh, here in McKinney, Texas, where I'm at. So I split my time between my home office and the actual office location.

Um, but he is the first person I met when I decided I was interested in finding out more about this. And he asked me about my story and. When I told him my story, by the end of it, he and I were both in tears and his girlfriend at the time. Now his wife was sitting there trying to figure out who to give tissues to.

Um, but for me, the fact that he could sit down with me and. Connect with my story and where I was coming from in a way that moved him, um, spoke volumes to me. And that is one of the biggest reasons I decided to take a chance here. I wanted to work with somebody who valued, who I was and where I came from.

Um, And then I'll throw one more real quick. Ed, my leg. And he is one, I'll talk about a little bit later when we get to talking about podcast recommendations, but ed, my let started his career in his twenties with the company I work with. So he made his initial millions in the financial services industry and he went on to do real estate.

And I don't even know how many businesses he has now, but he, he is so motivational and so inspiring. Um, I think every single day something he posts or a podcast of his, I listened to has an impact on me personally, as well as my business. Awesome. I love that. I love that. What is one lesson? Your job has taught you that you think everyone should learn at some point in their life to be a better listener.

So regardless of, if it's a personal conversation with a friend, a client conversation, a conversation with your peers or your boss at your job, um, to truly listen when somebody's speaking with you to be present and not be so eager to have the answer ready that you don't actually truly hear the question or the message.

And I think. I mean, I'm an extrovert, I'm a talker. And I don't think that's always been a strength of mine, but it's definitely something that I constantly am trying to get better at. Um, and just make that person I'm talking to feel like they're the most important person in the world at that moment, regardless of what the is about.

Amen. I love that. Did you always want to be a finance with. No. So, uh, like I said, I had a 20 year career in corporate finance. I started out in accounting, transactional, corporate accounting. Um, I didn't love it. And about three or four years into my career, I was able to transition to the finance side, which I loved because the finance side, it takes all those numbers.

Accounting puts in the computer and tells a story with it. Your business is growing here. It's struggling here, whatever. Was so that spoke to me so much more, being able to tell a story, um, and people would say to me, why don't you get your CPA? You know, or why don't you go back and get your MBA and get into the C-suite level management.

And I didn't ever want to do that. I didn't want my career. To have total control of everything else in my life. So I really shied away from going that next step with certifications and licensing. Um, but what I found when I looked at this business was number one, the opportunity to truly chase my dreams.

Um, Kathy we've talked, uh, I don't know how many times we've known each other over a year or two now. And I was a single mom. I'm still a single mom. I've been a single mom for about 16 years. And so everything was focused on making sure I could provide for my son. I could give him every opportunity there was.

And I now an empty nester. So his last year of high school was when I started my business. And I saw through this business, the opportunity to chase my dreams, to be able to become more philanthropic, to be able to, um, give back and to be able to make a difference. In other people's lives, especially single moms like myself to show them that there is a way they can reach all their financial goals.

Um, because I think that's one of the biggest ways places as a single parent in general, you know, single mom or single dad, just trying to make ends meet and give, give the best of everything to your kids is a constant struggle. So I joined this business because of what it could allow me to do beyond the business.

Um, And I just happen to be in the financial industry. Love it. I love it. So what's one thing about your finance expertise that almost no one agrees with you about, or do you have something that polarizes you from the mass? Um, so. I think that one thing nobody agrees with, I don't know that I'd word it that way, but one thing I think people struggle with when it comes to the financial industry is they think it's all about life insurance, right?

That is a small segment of what I do. There's so much more in finance. And so I think people think, oh, life insurance they're either. Love term life insurance, or they love whole life and they're completely against the other, what I've learned. And what I try to teach people is there's a time and place for both.

And there's a whole. A whole market of things in between those two. Um, and I think that's what sets me apart is I take the time to make sure my clients understand each and every one of those things, because at the end of the day, I'm, I don't want to tell my class. What to do with their money. I want them to understand their options and decide for themselves what they think makes the most sense for their family to reach their goals.

Um, and so I think that's what really helps me stand out is that I'm going to meet you where you're at today and I'm going to help you get to where you want to go on your terms. Not on mine. Yes. Yes. What is your favorite productivity hack or shortcut for entrepreneurs? Time-blocking to look at your schedule.

So every Sunday for me, I don't do any business on Sundays, unless there's an absolute emergency of some kind. So on Sundays, I always take an hour or two to look at my calendar and. Based on the appointments I have and the personal responsibilities I have in my life. I'm putting those in first. And then I put in the other pieces of my business.

So contacting new people, following up with existing clients or people I've talked to before to see where they're at, um, the education piece, learning more or new products that have come back on the market, all those things I fit in between, but they all have their own block of time. And. Strictly adhering to that, which for me, I use a timer to help me.

So I do contacting in the morning for an hour. I set a timer when I start. So, because a lot of times what happened is you get in a. And then you're going to bleed into that other time and something's not going to get done that needed to, so I'll use that timer to help me stick to my time blocks, but making sure that there's time and space for the most important things I need to get done, um, around the appointments I have scheduled there, my personal life has probably been a game changer.

Because initially I tried to do it all and I just scrambled. Um, but focus time for each task throughout the day has made a ton of difference. I'm definitely a lot more productive that way. Yes. Yes. I've loved that. I definitely, definitely love that. So along the same lines I have to ask, what does your morning routine look like?

So last year, my morning routine was a big focus of mine. I didn't really have a structured one. So I'll tell you my schedule. I get up at four 30 in the morning. I'm at the gym at five o'clock. I'm home from the gym at six to six 15. And then I do my gratitude journal. I spend some time with my scriptures and in prayer.

So whether that's meditation for somebody else, you know, whatever you do, I have that quiet time to just connect. With myself and what's important to me. And then at 7:00 AM, every day, Monday through Saturday, I have a zoom call with other professionals like me in my industry, across the United States. Um, and it's from seven to eight every morning where we go over training concepts, we have motivational speakers, all different things.

We have a different topic for every day. Um, and then at eight o'clock I'm in the shower getting ready and at nine o'clock my business day start. Wow. That's awesome. That's awesome. I love that. So I noticed you did 75 hard last year. What was your experience with that? What did you like about it and what did you not like about it?

So 75 hard was amazing. The thing I learned probably, I don't know, probably in the first third of it. So in the first few weeks, um, I realized quickly it is not a physical fitness channel. It is a mindset challenge. Uh, but, but a lot of the concepts are a lot of the, uh, individual things you do within it fit within physical fitness.

And so I think people see it as specifically that, um, but it's not, when you do it, you quickly find out. Um, what I loved about it was the structure of it. Um, You knew exactly what you needed to do. You knew how much time you needed to spend on the things that re you know, 2 45 minute workouts. One had to be outside every day.

Um, so I liked the structure. I liked the consistency it created and making sure I was moving my body. I was eating healthy. I was drinking a lot of water. Um, and I I'm a reader. And so the fact that there's a reading component to it, I loved that. And so I used the books I read were educational mindset, focus books that just, I felt like took that to a different level for me.

So I liked that about it. Um, what I didn't like was I'll be completely honest. I'm not a big drinker. But I'll have a glass of wine or two a week or in the summertime when it's hot and I'm by the pool. I might have a cold beer or a cold beverage, and you don't drink when you're on 75 hard. And I did it right through the summer months and I thought, what in the world?

Um, but I, at the same time, it also just made me realize, you know, those, the fact that I do that a little bit is like an extra it's not, but for me, it's. When you tell what I tell myself or somebody tells me I can't do something then for whatever reason, my mind thinks about it all the time. And I would have to remind myself, you only have maybe one or two glasses of wine a week, calm down.

Um, so I don't know for that, that was something I struggled with. Um, and I'll tell you. The basic seventy-five heart. I wouldn't say there was anything I disliked. I just flat out disliked about it. I will say I didn't carry on into the follow-up 30 day segments that come after the initial 75 hard for one reason.

And one reason alone, the cold. I now I will say I've water skied in my life. I grew up in Utah, jumped into a cold lake. Um, but the idea of every single day, getting into a cold shower or jumping into a cold sweat, I. There are so many, um, you know, employers out there or, or mindset people that I followed things.

And they all talk about that. And I don't know, I probably need to work it into my goals to maybe just give it a try once. But that's the thing that kept me from kind of going to the next levels. Um, As I'm a chicken, I'm gonna check it out. I'm like the cold. All right. Well, I think maybe if you research, um, what it does to your mind and how it affects you, it might shift you into trying it.

Um, not that I do that cause I don't, but I have tried it before and I also have done research on it and how it helps the body and the mind and all that stuff. I don't know. That's just a little something that I would look at. Yeah. I have a friend that actually told me what it does for your body. Um, it, when you understand that it's hard to argue against doing it.

So you're right. I probably need to look into that. Yeah. And now you probably have seen that anyway, so, but yeah, the, I get it because it's not fun. It's um, do you have a favorite fitness or movement tip that you'd like to share? The number one thing I would say is just move your body every single day. Um, it's not about the specific exercise you do.

It's about the fact that you do something. So, um, you know, I, I have some friends who are, I don't know, I don't know the term for it. They're they're differently. I think is the term my friend uses, um, a couple of friends were in a wheelchair, um, and things like that. So they can't go for a run, you know, or even a walk, but to find that thing, that one your body can do, um, and two that your mind can commit to.

So within, within moving your body, I say 30 minutes. Um, if you have to start small start small, if it's just stretching for 30 minutes a day, if it's going for a very low key walk, great. Just do something it's not about being in the gym and pumping iron, you know, for 30 minutes, hardcore. It's just about keeping your body active and moving and, um, That like you, you know, you said with the cold plunge, I need to look into what that does for the body.

Also, just that movement, that commitment to moving your ball at body, uh, what it does for your body, what it does for your mindset and the energy it gives you is phenomenal. Yeah, that that would be my number one thing is just to do something, whatever it is. Right. And I definitely agree. Do you have any fitness advice for others?

Like I noticed you work out every day, so or so many days a week. Um, do you have. Any, any special fitness tip? I mean, I love what you just said about just moving 30 minutes. Cause not everybody does the same type of exercise. And that's one of the things that I do teach is I teach them to do what's called fitness states and we go on a adventure and find different things that we like.

Cause you may like swimming. You may like yoga. You just never know you got to keep an open mind to it. So do you have any fitness advice or tips that you'd like to share with us? I will tell you the one I struggle with the most stretching. Um, so for me, I'll be 50 in March and I have noticed I can go to the gym and work out and not stretch before and not stretch after, but I feel it so much more intensely when I don't and my body.

My body just doesn't naturally do what it used to do. So taking the time to stretch and warm up, and then also that stretch and cool down to help your muscles recover. And honestly, what I try to do is remember that's, you know, even if it's just five or 10 minutes where. I can stretch. I can just let my mind relax.

Um, it's a way to incorporate maybe a little bit of meditation or, or just quiet time for yourself during the day. So maybe for me, I try to think of it that way to kind of entice me to do it more, but I've never been a good stretcher. And yet, I know I was an athlete all through high school. I know what a difference it makes, but I've found that my body requires it.

Now, the older I get it requires it and it makes me it makes it so I'm more able to do the things I want to do physically, whether it's in the gym or for fun. Um, because. My body's more ready for it. Yeah, definitely. And as a trainer, I can tell you that I'm stretching and warming up prevents injury and helps you stay pliable.

Um, I love how David Goggins talks about how he stretches for a couple hours every day. Like at night, I'm like, sure, you go right ahead. You're the one that runs a hundred miles all the time. Knock your lights out. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Do you have any hacks for a positive mindset when facing struggles?

Um, yes. So step away from what you're struggling with, if you can. So when I say that, I mean, you know, if you're struggling with a component you're working on at work or in your business or, um, a project or whatever, if you can step away from it to kind of clear your mind, great. That's the first step. Um, but.

I think a lot of times things are going on in our lives. We can't necessarily step away from a stressful time or something. It's not as simple as just walking away. Uh, I would say allow your mind to focus on something else. So if you read, pick up a book and read for 30 minutes and just let your mind reset, um, if you're an exercise or go for a walk, go to the gym when you're, when you're being physically active, your mind.

Forced to focus on what you're doing. Um, just subconsciously it just does. And so it helps you to kind of detach from the weight of that stress or that situation that you're struggling with. Um, for me, it's both of those things to either get physically active, to read a book and then also to listen to a podcast.

Um, cause my mind is forced to like focus on what it is that I'm listening to. Um, and. In podcasts, you know, if you listen to a 30 minute podcast or even an hour podcast, there's so many tips and tricks. And so I'll look through some of my favorite podcasts and I'll scroll through their episodes and see if I can find an episode that maybe connects with where I'm at or what I'm struggling with, or even sometimes a fun one that will totally distract me.

I love crime podcasts, true crime podcasts. So yeah, it's, it's either doing something that can give me some tips or tricks to help me through that. Or completely detaching from it for a short period of time. And then when I come back, I maybe have fresh eyes or a fresh mind. Um, and I can just carry that weight a little bit easier.

Yeah. I love it. Perfect. Perfect. Well, you talked a lot about reading. Do you have any narrow it down to one or two, maybe three books that you can recommend to my audience that you. Uh, so the first one I'll go finance related is definitely going to be thinking, grow rich by Napoleon hill. Um, I think the concepts in that book, while they're focused on, you know, creating financial wealth and freedom for yourself, I think they can apply to so many different areas of your life.

So that one absolutely. Um, I just recently finally read, I've had the book for a while, but it's in my bin in my stack to read, I finally finished reading untamed by Glennon Doyle. I think it is a phenomenal book on transitioning through the changes in life and the things that come your way. Um, and my third one would be, you mentioned him, uh, David Goggins book called can't hurt me that.

Is probably on my list. My top three list of books I've ever read. Um, that book is his story. Um, I laughed in that book. I cried in that book. I jumped up and down and cheered in parts of that book. And I will say with that book, my recommendation is to listen to it on audible. It is almost like an audible book and a podcast combined into one.

So there's narrative in between the chapters of him. He elaborates on some things. Um, and there's mindset challenges after every single, um, chapter as well on the audibles. So that would be my, my, my top three right before. Perfect. I love it. Love it. Um, what about podcasts? Okay. So besides this one that everybody is clearly listening to, um, I would say definitely add my leg.

He has an phenomenal podcast, uh, max out. It is incredible. He has guests from every walk of life that tell every kind of story. So it's not just focused on. It's not just focused in one direction. I think literally anybody can listen to one of his podcasts and gain so much information from it. Um, so him, for sure, that's all mindset inspiration.

Um, I have a friend Julie DeLuca Collins that has a podcast called. Casa de competence. Um, I just recently got to be a guest on there, but she's had her podcast for, I think a year or two now. Um, does a real similar thing has guests from all different walks of life. Spotlights entrepreneurs talks about topics that are pertinent and real and necessary in the world today.

And it's, it's just a feel good, uh, feel good podcast for me. Um, And then my other one, goodness, there, there are so many, I like, um,

Um, an, you know what, I'm going to go with something totally off the cuff. So my true crime product podcasts I'm seriously. If I do have time to watch mindless television, a lot of times it'll be like the true crime shows like unsolved mysteries and things like that. Uh, but true crime podcasts. If I'm on a road trip, that's what I want to listen to.

I don't know why, because what if I'm driving at night by myself and I'm freaking myself out, but absolutely love true compact crime podcasts. A little bit of history, honestly, cause they go into some really big cases that had a huge impact in America. So there is kind of some history there, but also just, I don't know why.

I don't know why I enjoyed one very, a curious mind. Yes. All right, Natalie. So in closing, please tell my listeners where they can find you and learn more about how to work with. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm on Facebook. I'm under Natalie McFee, hyphen Kime on Instagram. I am at Natty Kime and a T T Y K I M E. Um, a lot of my content is the same on those.

I have different. This is on them though, but you can find me on either one of those, my website, if you want some more information about what I do and there's some fantastic, um, snippet, videos, and articles and things on there. If you just want to dig in a little bit on your own before reaching out my website is www dot wealth, wave.com backslash Natalie kind of tinker around in there and get some more information.

There's also a link. You can contact me straight through the web. Perfect. We love it. And all of that information right there will be in the show notes. So be sure to check it out. Thanks for listening today. And thank you for coming, Natalie. We do appreciate it. Thank you. I enjoyed it. Wasn't that a great episode.

And my friend, Natalie had some really good information in there and I'm going to stick with it. I especially liked her book recommendations of course, cause you know, um, and I also liked her podcast recommendation. And have since listened to admire it and learn some very valuable stuff that I will be sharing on our podcast.

Thank you for listening. And until next time, I'll see you next time. Peace out and not mistake. .